REP Suspension

The Makings Of A Great WP Pro Component Settings On The KTM 450 SX-F (With REP Suspension)

Let me preface this article with how much I like to ride the KTM 450 SX-F. But… Yes, of course there is always a “but”, right? I like a lot of things about the KTM 450 SX-F, but the stock suspension isn’t one of them. The AER fork is a slight headache for me as it’s stiff as hell when new, then once broke in, moves more in the stroke, yet still gives a harsh mid stroke feel on braking bumps. Not as much as in year’s past, but it still isn’t a spring feel. Raising the air pressure only makes the harshness worse and decreasing air pressure allows the fork to ride too low in the stroke for my taste. I am a front end steering rider and that means that I really like a spring fork feel. Now, I have tried some other companies spring conversions and although better than the AER fork with front end traction/feel, I just wasn’t sold on the performance it gave me on rough tracks. After doing some of these tests, I then resorted to a WP Cone Valve fork. Now I am not going to sit here and tell you that slapping on a set of WP Pro Components is the answer to your front end problems, as I did have to go through several setting changes in order to get a feel that I personally liked. I thought why not walk you through some of the process to create settings as well as tell you about the latest one I have on our 2021 KTM 450 SX-F test machine. 

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You know who helped me get to this blend of KTM comfort and performance promise land that I am in? Mark Johnson at REP Suspension. I am a serious pain in the ass when it comes to KTM suspension, probably because I love that damn Yamaha KYB/SSS fork so much (yes, I know there are KYB conversions and we are going to test one soon, don’t yell at me). Although Mark made my WP Pro Components better than my stock stuff the first time he did it, I felt like I wanted more comfort on rough tracks. I complained to Mark that my rear end always felt too low under acceleration and the front end still had a firm feel on slap down hits through my handlebars. I complained. He listened. That is what great suspension tuners do. They listen to the customer. There are several companies like this out there and REP is one of those companies. Mark emailed me one night about a setting he came up with, that he thought I might rather enjoy. I honestly thought what I had was decent, but as one old test rider once told me, “you’re only as good as what you try right” and I am in the business to try and relay that back to you all right? So I immediately got excited about another suspension test that could really be “THE ONE”! 

I met Mark at GH one Thursday and we literally stayed there all day. This is nothing new, but as a guy who has been doing this 20 or so years, I still love it! I wanted to make sure that I left GH near dark and when the sun decided to set behind the hills of Glen Helen, I wanted to make sure that I had comfort along with performance, before I gathered my things and left. This is the only way I can sit here and type to you all and say if it’s better or not. When you move from a stock WP AER fork to a WP Pro Component set up you will immediately feel a heavier turn in, yet will receive more front end traction. It’s a give and take and I will gladly take a heavier steer in (area 1 of the corner) for added traction. I don’t have near as much of a problem with the rear of the bike, but the stock shock, once hot, fades away into oblivion and gives no real damping character at the end of a longer/rough Moto. I wanted consistency, comfort and traction. Is that so much to ask from a bike? The Kawasaki gives it to me. The Yamaha gives it to me. I want the KTM to give to me as well with WP components on it! 

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As usual I make sure that each test is a blind test. I make damn sure I know nothing about what Mark and the REP crew do to each setting and that I am going strictly off of feel when riding. I make sure I hit the same lines on the track through out the day for consistency and that ensures proper feedback to the REP crew (as well as you the reader). When all was said and done, what REP gave me was the best setting I have ever felt from any KTM set of suspension I have tried. Oh and I have tried a lot. Is it the best suspension that I have ever met period? No, but it was the best KTM stuff I have tried, hands down. I was starting to consider that the WP Pro Components were just built for performance and not comfort, but Mark and the guys proved to me otherwise.

 The WP fork with the REP setting not only had hold up, but had comfort as well. Most of the time when you go to an A-Kit style fork, you will lose comfort and gain performance, but both of those categories went up equally for me. RARE! This has only happened twice in my time of testing! Using a 4.8 N/mm spring rate along with the parts listed below gave me great lean angle traction (off or on throttle). The downside to my previous CV fork setting was that if I loaded the front tire on lean (under throttle) the fork deflected and felt harsh. The new updated setting felt more supple initially and progressively had more damping feel as the fork went down. There was no unexpected stiff shelfs in the travel as the fork moved and in return, that gives the rider better feel to the front wheel/tire. AKA more tire contact patch! Boom! Gone is the harsh slap down feel to my hands and that increased my ability to be more confident in how hard I can push into/through jumps because I know that if I wanted to overjump a section (on purpose or maybe by mistake) I could do it without an issue. 

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The WP Pro Component shock has always been a struggle for me to set up. I always felt like my rear end was too low and when I managed to get the rear end up, it was god awful coming out of corners (harsh and wasn’t fun on my back). Although I gained consistent damping feel over a longer Moto with the Pro Component shock the comfort was difficult to find at times. To help this I ran REP’s knuckle without the longer rods, along with a sag setting of 98mm. I wanted to change the curve of the linkage ratio to help acceleration comfort, but try to keep that rear end up under throttle. This did get me slightly more comfort, but felt like it pushed on the front end too much once transitioning off the throttle. Mark suggested that I try a 1mm longer shock shaft and that really changed the character of this bike. Once I had the chance to ride with that, it altered my outlook on how the KTM’s ride attitude could handle rougher style tracks. The rear end stayed up higher in the stroke and for my 5’11 front end steering frame, this was a game changer. The KTM became more balanced on throttle and allowed me to accelerate harder/sooner out of choppy corners. I now could get my sag numbers back to normal range (103-105mm), which left me with a balanced feeling coming into corners (off throttle). Having this 1mm longer shock shaft also allowed me to run REP’s longer pull rods, which increased rear wheel traction and took some bite/harshness out of any initial braking bump hit. 

Now on to the question that I will get asked after this is published… Keefer, I just spent 11K on my KTM and now you are saying to purchase 5K on suspension  as well as put another 800.00 into those Pro Components? Holy shit! Yeah, I know, right? However, it’s crazy how many people actually do this. So to cater to those people as well as to others, I will also be doing a stock re-valve story just like this one coming in the next few weeks. So hold tight! Not everyone has the money for Pro Components and I am not blind to that fact. I really wanted to get this article up because I had my doubts about these WP Pro Components at times and get tons of emails about them. Mark and the REP crew worked their asses off to make me happy and it took me a while to get there, but hopefully with all of my testing that I have done, as well as REP’s work, you all will benefit from a one and done setting! 

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Below are the parts that REP incorporated into my WP Pro Components and what each part’s purpose really is: 

  Fork:

1. Cone Spring Perch System $349.99

Gives more bottoming resistance/progression allowing for a softer more plush setting to be utilized for better top of the stroke feel without losing bottoming. (The concept comes from KYB which I have played with a lot).

2. Low Speed Valves $120.00

Allows us to valve the flow of the needle and is fully tunable to each rider. Riders typically comment less front dip/more controlled front under braking.

3. 13 Degree cones $160.00

WP only makes 3 degree options 15, 11 and 8. Mark makes 13 as well for MX/Off-Road and 8 for SX. This helps bridge the gap between the degrees to get a specific damping the rider is looking for.

4. Low Friction O-Ring Kit $11.99

Lower cartridge friction compared to the standard o-rings that come in the fork.

Shock:

1. Trax LSV $250

Similar to the fork LSV, it gives REP another shim stack to play with, that normally is not in the shock. The shim stack controls the needle flow and is fully tunable. (This is the part that I felt gave firmness without taking away comfort). It also majorly decreases hysteresis, or pressure differentials, in the shock, which results in a more consistent feel and performance in the shock. 

2. Shock Spring Thrust Bearing $62.99

Springs naturally want to turn as they are compressed which causes binding. The bearing is fitted on top of the spring to allow it to turn and can be put on without the damper being disassembled.

3. RCU Spacer $21.99

REP has spacers made that go on both sides of the shim stack that are surfaced ground to be more flat than production. The spacer makes for a more consistent and predictable build as far as dyno and rider feel is concerned.

4. 1mm Longer Shock Setup $112.99

Helps balance of the bike for most riders, but also gains comfort as it puts the linkage into a softer part of the stroke.


Chassis:

1. REP MW1 Knuckle $299.99

Price jumped from up from the last write up I did because they now build them with OEM Bearings and seals.

2. 149mm Pull Rod $219.00

It’s longer compared to the standard 148.2mm for the flatter leverage curve Mark was looking for, also built with OEM bearings and seals.

 

REP Knuckle For 2015.5-Up KTM Shock

As the hours keep ticking away on the 2020.5 KTM 450 SX-F Factory Edition test machine, I have been going through test parts like crazy. I have been testing the REP (Research Engineering Performance) re-valved WP XACT Pro Components and have good things to say about Mark’s work, but I wanted to get a little more comfort for the shock, so he offered up his knuckle and pull rods to me. I explained to him that I felt the KTM was low in the rear, so I would rather not use the pull rods, but I was willing to use the knuckle in corporation with the WP XACT Pro Component shock.

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So what is the purpose of the REP knuckle? The reason for designing this linkage system was to help or eliminate a common issue Mark has witnessed with the KTM/Husqvarna. A rider comment that he has repeatedly heard is a lock out sensation in the shock resulting in harshness and unwanted weight transfer. Immediately REP started testing shock settings after shock setting, which helped, but did not fix the issue entirely. This is when REP’s investigation began into the leverage ratios to decipher if this was truly a shock character issue or if the chassis needed some changes. 

The linkage put into the Austrian production has a very "stiff" ratio when compared to other brands, which is why the bikes come with such a soft rear spring. REP feels this is the right direction for the beginning to mid stroke, but the progression at the end of the stroke was slightly too aggressive causing unwanted weight transfer and harshness from the rear of the bike

The REP linkage system makes a more linear progression for models 2015.5 to current. Many of the other companies producing linkages for these bikes result in a softer ratio all the way through the stroke, which is why they also require a stiffer rear spring. The REP system does not stray far from the production ratio for the majority of the shock stroke, but simply tapers off from mid to end. This change does not require a spring change because the ratio from full extension to rider sag point is very similar, but once active on the track the rider will see the digression in the ratio to be quite apparent.

The knuckle can be used with the standard pull rod (like what I did) or the longer REP version. If only the knuckle is used the rear seat height will be raised 1.9mm, but if the entire REP linkage package is used the rear will be lowered 2.1mm when compared to stock. Keep in mind if the entire package is used, it not only lowers the rear, but also exaggerates the flatter ratio that the knuckle is producing. REP recommends the knuckle to all his riders, but Mark decides if the customer needs the pull rod based on the rider's preference and comments.

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A couple positives to the knuckle that I noticed right away was comfort on acceleration through deep/choppy ruts and the KTM felt less active on de-cel bumps coming down hills. Without the REP knuckle the KTM kicked me in the butt more than other Japanese bikes do when braking hard on de-cel bumps, but with the REP knuckle the rear of the KTM stayed planted better and gave me a calmer feeling when pushing deeper into rough corners. I managed to get a bone stock 2020 KTM 450 SX-F, (without XACT Pro Components) installed the REP knuckle on the WP shock and it gave me the same feelings in those two areas of the track. I appreciate that I didn’t have to drop a spring rate and basically could just bolt this on and feel an improvement. For $249.95 for the knuckle (with bearings installed), I really like the way the KTM can be pushed harder later in the day when the track gets hammered. I used to shy away from the KTM in the afternoon hours, because it would beat me up a little. Now by adding this REP knuckle to our KTM Factory Edition, it has made this a more comfortable machine to ride when everyone else is packing up to go home. 

Note… Not all aftermarket knuckle/linkage systems work on every brand of motorcycle. Some manufacturer R&D teams get their linkage ratios correct for the masses upon production, but it’s refreshing to see Mark at REP sell a suspension piece for the KTM that actually is noticeably better when riding it back to back with the stock piece. 

FAQ: 

Kris, how do I know if I need a knuckle and not just a re-valve on my shock?  

If you are experiencing a firm feeling coming out of corners and seem to lose traction, this knuckle can help. If you are coming into braking bumps and notice that the KTM has a nice plush feel on the first bump, but then gives you a rear end kick when unloading upon the second touch, this knuckle can help that. These are the two areas that most weekend warrior riders would feel the REP knuckle is better. 

Kris, how do I know if I want the REP pull rods to go along with the knuckle? 

If you want your KTM to feel a little lower in the rear and want more rear steering, then you should look into the REP pull rods as well. I am a big front end steering rider so having the rear end a little higher for me fits my riding style. 

Attached is a graph from REP. The red line is the REP vs the black line Production.

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